Thursday, October 20, 2011

The notion that anyone will not be welcome
in heaven

is insane


Benjamin Ady said...

I'm more or less with you.

Why do you believe that?

Martin said...

Life is already lonely enough without the idea the when you die, you go to the pearly gates, where St Peter says to you "Look mate, I'd let you in, but the boss says to tell you to fuck off.".

Can we agree that all suicides will be in heaven? And we don't want to be encouraging suicide, so everyone has to be in.

Benjamin Ady said...

I don't really believe in heaven. But if I did, I'd totally only believe in one where everybody gets in. heaven would be nice, for people who kill themselves. and thus for everyone else.

i think i don't believe in it more because i feel like i don't want to spend any of my precious time here believing in it. i'm rather confident it will all sort itself out in the best possible way, in the end.

do you personally know anyone who has killed themselves? or why do you bring up that particular group?

Martin said...

Christ was always sticking up for the poor, and not because they had no money. "Whatever you do for the least of these, you do for me."
People who are suicidal are the most crushed, it seems to me; the least, the last, the lost.

Martin said...

I think that there are problems with heaven. Did heaven always exist, or did God create heaven, and then climb in? etc.

Martin said...

I don't think I have known anyone who has committed suicide, but I like to keep it available as a last resort.

Benjamin Ady said...


I'm still with you =). If you ever do decide to use it as a last resort, I hope you'll call me first. I'm at +61 4 000 48195. You might also be able to reach me at 206 973 7971 =).

Are you a fan of

Martin said...

Not likely, but you'll be the first to know.
I am an occasional reader of post secret, so not quite at the fan(atic) level.

I am involved in Occupy Buffalo, so I stay busy doing imaginary things to try to avoid the various overhanging catastrophes. My latest project is a magical shirt to protect you from bullets: it says "don't shoot me, please" on the back.

You have my phone?

Martin said...

Thought it over.
It's not realistic to say I'll call. You know?